Product Talk · Teresa Torres
articleplaybookOrganizational Change is Exhausting - All Things Product Podcast with Teresa Torres & Petra Wille
16 June 2026Product
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About Product TalkListen to this episode on: Spotify | Apple PodcastsOrganizational change is exhausting — so stop trying to force it. Petra and Teresa unpack why trying to fix the people and processes around you is almost always wasted energy, and what actually works instead. If you've ever wanted to
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What a founder can learn
Founder takeaway
Don’t approach organizational change as a campaign to fix other people. Start with a specific outcome and change what you directly control before asking the wider organization to follow.
Why it matters
Trying to force broad change consumes leadership attention and can create resistance. A narrower, outcome-led approach preserves energy and gives people evidence to respond to rather than another mandate.
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Put it to work
Name one change initiative that feels draining. Ask: “What behavior, decision, or process within my control can I change first to demonstrate a better result?”